Curse

Xenrath · Jul 14, 2006, 12:44 PM // 12:44

What are the pros and cons about this? I'm pretty sure a -2/-2 shield which I paid a huge ingame sum for (took a lot of time to gather at the time) has now essentially become useless it's only used vs melee opponents. Not too pleased about that, but what do people think about this (from both PvP and PvE perspectives) and what are the advantages and disadvantages? Non-warrior responses would be good too, to get the view from those who are usually on the receiving end of the old damage reduction.

majoho · Jul 14, 2006, 12:57 PM // 12:57

why a new thread?

Xenrath · Jul 14, 2006, 12:59 PM // 12:59

Just felt there were several different issues being discussed in one or two threads and helpful to seperate some parts out - but mods feel free to close if this isn't a good idea

Snowman · Jul 14, 2006, 01:00 PM // 13:00

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Originally Posted by majoho

why a new thread?

there is another thread about this?.. dont think so. many comments about the update and the skills, but I think this is worth a discussion.

Personally I think this will increase the value of +armor Vs Elements alot more!..

oddly it will also increase the worth of skills which protect Vs Elements, such as ward against elements.

Additionally, IWAY teams are now much more squishy.. that alone is worthy of note

majoho · Jul 14, 2006, 01:03 PM // 13:03

sowwy, my mistake.

SirJackassIII · Jul 14, 2006, 01:03 PM // 13:03

PvP: Elemental strings/pommels/grips > Warriors.
PvE: Uhh, yeah, tank against a mixed group that has several types of damage, while the warriors ignore you and bash up the monk and you take the Ele's damage...
From a farming point of view...the mobs that rely solely on Physical damage and don't have a mesmer/necro/ele near usually get nerfed

So, damage reduction sucks now, Knights and Ascalon sets are more useless than ever and a lot of warriors are pissed...

Snowman · Jul 14, 2006, 01:09 PM // 13:09

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Originally Posted by SirJackassIII

So, damage reduction sucks now, Knights and Ascalon sets are more useless than ever and a lot of warriors are pissed...

Lol !.. and the more intelligent warriors are already formulating new strategies! ..

Every team uses warriors so everyone is effected by this.. monks most of all!

luauelveneno · Jul 14, 2006, 01:17 PM // 13:17

imho it was not needed to nerf ALL shields..

just my 2 cents

Raxxman · Jul 14, 2006, 01:17 PM // 13:17

yeah, basically the warrior now has more to fear from casters, and the occasional frenzying wammo with a firey dragon sword.

Knights now is a bit better protection vs phys than most but if you want real protection you're gonna have to go str tank in sent or stance tank in legion. Or take Platemail/dragon/etc.

shield mods have been made a little more useless. Warriors job got a little more difficult

milias · Jul 14, 2006, 01:18 PM // 13:18

Hmm, this is definitely going to affect my warrior's tanking abilities in areas with lots of elemental enemies. Not sure how this is going to affect warriors in PvP, since warriors aren't usually targeted till last; besides, I prefer wearing Sentinel's armor in PvP anyway.

I do think PvE is going to be affected the most by this change, as well as the price of shields with these types of mods.

I guess warrior Hydra-farming is gonna be dead

darrylhaines · Jul 14, 2006, 01:22 PM // 13:22

Oohh time to start using Lightining (Armour ignore) spells again lol

Dark Dragon · Jul 14, 2006, 01:26 PM // 13:26

I think it might have a large affect on pvp now ele's may become more than just "blind bots".

Change is good its stops the game becomeing stale with the builds being used by everyone.

Arknow · Jul 14, 2006, 01:35 PM // 13:35

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Change is good its stops the game becomeing stale with the builds being used by everyone

QFT

time for the marine at heart to thrive

adapt, compramise, overcome

makosi · Jul 14, 2006, 01:38 PM // 13:38

It gives eles the buff that they need. Ele was my first and favourite class and now they have more uses than spamming HP and Blinding Flash in GvG. Warriors are now balanced i think.

Angel Develin · Jul 14, 2006, 01:54 PM // 13:54

"""""""adapt, compramise, overcome""""""

agree 200%

Canadian Bacon · Jul 14, 2006, 01:55 PM // 13:55

I think that warriors were indeed balanced. Although I just started my warrior after a period of not having one, I'm not altogether thrilled about it. Where can one find an elemental shield? Do they drop randomly, or do collectors carry them? If they aren't at collectors, then prices on them are gonna rise, and I will just stick to the collector -5(20%) I got last night.

Raxxman · Jul 14, 2006, 02:08 PM // 14:08

better off grabbing a +7 vs ele hilt as its generic vs all eles.

I'm a little miffed cause warriors really have no counter vs Hex or conditions other than to rely on Monks (and before you argue its a team game, if you're 100% reliant on something then more often than not you're a burden not an asset).

Rangers with ele bow strings are gonna rip apart warriors now, and Hexes still kill em (On another issue, does anyone actually use the Lt. Helm pre nerf? I've found it useless.)

Watch yourself and Doylak are even more vital for pve sustainability vs mobs

Kook~NBK~ · Jul 14, 2006, 02:12 PM // 14:12

Looks like weapons with + Armor vs. Elemental damage are going to be more in demand now. It also looks like that set of Knight's armor I've been lugging around can finally be sent to the recycle bin (Since scrap metal prices are up now - LOL)

Russell.Crowe · Jul 14, 2006, 02:15 PM // 14:15

The only thing I don't like is them changing the global damage reduction. I heard someone say that this has been a glitch all along, but then my question is: Why didn't they figure out how to fix it a year ago? Why wait all this time to nerf something so big? That is the only problem I have with the update.

Former Ruling · Jul 14, 2006, 02:21 PM // 14:21

funny story, a guildie of mine was running through kryta I think it was, past some Mergoyles, and he said in guild chat (without having read the update) - "the mergoyles used to hit for 0 all the time, now they are hitting me for 3-4. whats up?"

And it was ofcourse his -dmg mods not kicking in anymore lol.

I don't know that Ele mods will be better now, except on special farm builds that farm ele enemies.